Missouri City council will meet in a special session tonight to discuss the development of conceptual plans for a possible community center, banquet facility, pro-shop and grill for the Quail Valley Golf Course.
Council will meet at 6 p.m. in the second floor conference room behind Council Chambers at 1522 Texas Parkway.
Council could approve staff to advertise for professional services to develop the conceptual plans for the gold course, as well as professional services to develop conceptual plans for the Quail Valley Tennis Center to be converted to a city tennis and recreation center.
In March 2008, the city filed condemnation proceedings to take 392 acres of golf course property – two 18-hole and two 9-hole courses, a club house, maintenance building and driving range – from Quail Valley Country Club, owned by Renaissance Golf Group LLC.
QVCC had stopped operating three of the courses, the city said, and one of the club owners acknowledged the property was experiencing annual operating losses of about $1.5 million.
Three months later, Judge Bielstein appointed three special commissioners in the case, who ruled that fair market value of the acreage was $3.1 million. The city deposited $3.1 million with the Fort Bend County Clerk’s office, and began operating the property as its own.
At Missouri City Council’s direction, the city has been renovating the property and has opened one course to the public.
But QVCC has argued in the condemnation suit that Texas law doesn’t allow a government entity “to condemn a going business concern and utilize the property acquired for the same business purpose for which the property was being used at the time of the condemnation.”
Further, QVCC argues there was no required “public necessity” for condemning the property, an act it has called “merely a pretext to confer a private benefit on particular private parties, including the mayor and a number of city council members.” (Missouri City Mayor Allen Owen and councilors Jerry Wyatt, Brent Holaja and Buddy Jimerson all live in Quail Valley).
As of July 15, Missouri City was told to produce all communications and e-mail sent to or from city officials and employees relating to the attempted takeover of Quail Valley Country Club by eminent domain.
Charlie–no wonder you spend your life in here 24/7……you got yo-self a govt job…hahaha…..I always thought you were a brown shirt, but now you are claiming to be in O’bama’s govt after all the nasty things you said about him. Does he sign your dole check….hahahaha
Another good one for redneck G-men:
Two good ol’ boys, Bubba and Earl, were driving down the road drinking a couple of bottles of Bud. The passenger, Bubba, said “lookey thar up ahead, Earl, it’s a police roadblock!! We’re gonna get busted for drinkin’ these here beers!!”
“Don’t worry, Bubba,” Earl said, “We’ll just pull over and finish drinkin’ these beers, peel off the label and stick it on our foreheads, and throw the bottles under the seat.”
“What for?” asked Bubba.
“Just let me do the talkin’, O.K.?” said Earl.
Well, they finished their beers, threw the empty bottles under the seat, and each put a label on their forehead. When they reached the roadblock, the sheriff said, “You boys been drinkin’?”
“No, sir,” said Earl, “we’re on the patch.”
Here’s a good one for G-men:
The phone rings at FBI headquarters.
“Hello?”
“Hello, is this FBI?”
“Yes. What do you want?”
“I’m calling to report my neighbor Tom. He is hiding marijuana in his firewood.”
“This will be noted.”
Next day, the FBI comes over to Tom’s house. They search the shed where the firewood is kept, break every piece of wood, find no marijuana, swear at Tom and leave.
The phone rings at Tom’s house.
“Hey, Tom! Did the FBI come?”
“Yeah!”
“Did they chop your firewood?”
“Yeah they did.”
“Okay, now it’s your turn to call. I need my garden plowed.”
And isn’t this one the pot calling the kettle black? FtBendConservative wrote on Saturday, May 24 at 06:13 AM »…are teachers the biggest whiners are what….they have a cush job…very little stress and all they do is bitch. Try working in a real job where you actually have to produce a product…
We could pull your wordsmithing one and say, ftbendconman wrote of Saturday June 3 at 6:15 AM….aren’t G-man the biggest whiners or what (notice we corrected the spelling)…hahaha
Or this one FtBendConservative wrote on Monday, Jun 30 at 06:45 AM » Joe do you even know how to be positive? I’m sorry if life is so bad for you…maybe you’ll ened it all soon?”
Or this one….
G-men shouldn’t make public statements like this FtBendConservative says: September 4th, 2009 at 8:36 pm (#) SillyAnthony don’t you have some little old ladies to kneecap?
hahaha
Here’s a tip G-man, I heard good news today, Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen. hahaha
Go investigate…
Let’s see…G-rap….rap……I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative……..
You can’t pay for this stuff charlie. Someone should be paying you something for it….hahaha
PS Now go tell Owen and Hebert to stop raising our taxes through the CAD appraisals……just tell them you work for the government….hahaha
Should I give you a good Cagney impression loser…..hahahaha
How long you been on the doll. I had to take a moment and send this post of your out on the e-mail. i’m even posting it to a few anti-Owen social network sites…This is your best work yet charlie.
Tell Owen, Howard and Hebert hello and to try and get you a decent G-job and off the dole!!! hahaha
Corporate welfare and government dole…..you got all the bases covered “conman”….hahaha
PS Give me back my tax dollars….hahahaha
Still wordsmithing the post “G-man charlie” ! Gotta luv it Mr. Hoover……you are the funniest idiot and you missed your meeting G-troll….hahahah
–I see you are still word-smithing my posts as usual Mr. Ness…hahahaha….
Is Mr. Ness ready for his close-up Mr. DeMille???? hahahaha
Charlie is a G-man ( more like a dole man) LOL
PS I heard good news today, Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen. hahaha
PPS
Should our G-man be talking like this in public forums?
“FtBendConservative says: September 4th, 2009 at 8:36 pm (#) SillyAnthony don’t you have some little old ladies to kneecap?”
“FtBendConservative wrote on Monday, Jun 30 at 06:45 AM » Joe do you even know how to be positive? I’m sorry if life is so bad for you…maybe you’ll ened it all soon?”
“FtBendConservative wrote on Saturday, May 24 at 06:13 AM »
“…are teachers the biggest whiners are what….they have a cush job…very little stress and all they do is bitch. Try working in a real job where you actually have to produce a product…”
–I wonder if in the last one conman could have substituted the word G-man for teacher….hahahaha….nothing like government and corporate welfare….and charlie does both!!! hahahaha
so calvin the troll was lying when he threatened me with “charlie–go back to foreclosing through your HOA on your neighbors and illegally soliciting campaign funds for Owens candidates while the TEC and IRS investigate you.”?
suddenly became “Actually your neighbors reported you. I just told them how they could.”
then became ” I filed a john doe report on you long ago….you are a joke!”
so calvin why don’t you do the rant where I’m on the take and stealing. We especially love those.
SLW–Now he’s a G-man……hahahaha
PS Charlie-boy–do you collect the dole and call that a govt job…hahahahaha
“ftbendconman” is a liberal welfare toadie not just for companies, but the government…..
What do you say G-man….hahahaha….pist I know a real treasury dept team investigator and a real FBI agent…..and you are not one, but you can pretend if you like….hahahahaha
Let’s see if we can set that to a rap……I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative……..
Is that FtBendConservative past out welfare checks along with “charlie” and Edwin Edwards, Allen Owen again.
Where ia the G-man at then you need them.
Do you cut the welfare checks fake conman???
hahahaha…….which dept…..hahahaha
PS I’ve saved this one. I had too, you’re a joke……tell your wife I said hello and your grown daughter and stop defending the borrow, tax and spender-edc-boyz or i’ll tell them. “you work for the government”…………this is great stuff “VI”….
–I thought you were going to the meeting G-man…..hahahaha–don’t you think you’re going to be late Mr. Hoover……hahaha
so calvin the troll was lying when he threatened me with “charlie–go back to foreclosing through your HOA on your neighbors and illegally soliciting campaign funds for Owens candidates while the TEC and IRS investigate you.”?
suddenly became “Actually your neighbors reported you. I just told them how they could.”
then became ” I filed a john doe report on you long ago….you are a joke!”
and the noose tightens
This your topper……..you can’t beat this one…..“Here’s a tip calvin I work for the gvmt, don’t push your luck. ”
Let’s see if we can set that to a rap……I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative…………I work for the government, but I’m really conservative……..
hahahah
hahaha our trool is back tracking now.
when are you going to report me?
I love making fun of you you’re so harmless.
This is a classic keeper, you beat the death threats, teacher bashing, telling posters to go kneecap old ladies…..hahahaha
Just let me know which agency so I can let your bosses know what you post on public forums and that you are a “government employee” pretending to be a conservative……..this is classic!
What a laugh!!!
“false accusations aren’t a laughing matter”…..no false accusations have been reported about you charlie, only facts and truth. You have a long line of people that want to bring you before a judge…..this is great!!! I luv it……”I work for the government”….and now we are supposed to shake in our boots in fear as the gestapo approaches……
You beat all your others with this one…Gotta luv it and we aren’t paying for it either…hahaha
Are you really Owens/Heberts/Howards toadie???? hahahaha…..did they get you your gov’t job……hahahahaha…..this is beautiful!!!
What are you daft??? Your neighbors have reported you. I filed a john doe report on you long ago….you are a joke!
This is great…make more threats to me and other and you will be reported on again and again idiot!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
as the man said “make my day” troll
report me troll and find out
“Here’s a tip calvin I work for the gvmt, don’t push your luck. ”
Now this is a keeper. I luv it. Do you think with everything we’ve been talking about that I would give a flying flip if you “work for the government” or not. You are scum and I have no interest in you or your lying pol. machine.
As long as they are taking our money and you are defending every single corporate welfare project in the area, you are nothing more than a welfare queen in my book.
Now go cry to your mom and collect your non-existent government check…….gotta luv it….charlie (wadefishin, johnbernardbooks, ftbendconman, etc…) now claims he is working for big government, after claiming to own his own business…….LOL
PS Tell me more jerk!!!! hahahahahahaha
PPS Our troll “works for the government”….I luv it!!!!!
as I said before false accusations aren’t a laughing matter, report away.
Actually your neighbors reported you. I just told them how they could. You see when you resort to regular law breaking, as you do, then people will report you. I fully support what they did because you know and I know non-profits can not solicit campaign contributions for candidates, only PACs can dummy….LOL
Aren’t you making things up again. I’ve been in this state for over 20 years. Now go back to defending BP, the developers, tolling of our public roads, political graft, Edwin Edwards, Allen Owen, etc…..we will keep block-walking your neighborhoods and growing the contact list for reformers. In the end I predict you will be completely irrelevant and your borrow, tax and spenders will be unmasked as you have been charlie.
Tell Hebert, Owen and Howard, our fake conservatives hello for me and stop calling yourself a conservative. You are nothing but an edc-toadie troll conman! hahaha
so now you reported me to the FBI the TEC AND the IRS?
Don’t kooks like you know all gvmt agencies have a kook list with your name on it.
Here’s a tip calvin I work for the gvmt, don’t push your luck. False accusations is not a laughing matter, troll.
calvin you and Kingfish did it different in Loserana, this is Texas.
charlie–go back to foreclosing through your HOA on your neighbors and illegally soliciting campaign funds for Owens candidates while the TEC and IRS investigate you. hahaha
Sorry AH.
Jimerson in the at large races did not get 40% and took the same developer money as Owen and Wyatt also did not get 36%. Poats actually won all precincts outside of Quail Valley with 32-33%. Those are from county records and not your nose picking guess (he actually got an additional 200 votes over his ’06 run). Not bad considering the opposition/Houston developers out spent them all in the double digits.
Try facts for a change instead of making things up.
As for your failing memory as you age on the last district races, you need to go check the numbers. The district C Owen-developer backed candidate lost pretty convincingly. Granted Owens buddy won dist A, but that wasn’t by the numbers you are reporting and was actually only 30-40 votes difference. The reform incumbent in district B, as you remember, was not challenged and retained her seat after winning it in a landslide in 2007 63%-37%. A net gain of 1 seat, again while spending quite a bit less than the developer boyz (your people).
Too bad the taxpayers don’t fully see his game yet, but they are growing numbers and adding seats to reform is never a loss.
What’s funny is we never have to pay volunteers like Owen does…….. =-)
Find good people willing to do the right thing and great things happen.
calvin obviously your memory is fuzzy you and your toadie lost 79% t0 20% in other words a landslide.
calvin its you that lives in a dream world, you and your toadie lost.
that was so funny watching you come in here hidin/lyin/denyin
I’m not muckie….just how many pseudos have you had here muckie/raginbs/wadefisher/jbb/kitten/JaneL/benwagner/1truecon/joemurphy?!?!?….hahaha what a nut
come to the council meeting tonight so I can film you being thrown out again for UTube….
Mcty–I’m sure they (the club) will have numerous appeal opportunities too. I think the last thing I read, as far as court actions go, was the city was dragging its feet on the subpoena to get developer backed mayor Owens communications released. I wonder if they will ever really turn over all those documents. We’ve seen them hold out on TPIA requests before. It seems to be their pattern of non-transparency.
PS Charlie, toadie troll (wadefishin, fortbendconman, johnbernardbooks,etc..), it is you who like to live in a dream world. Owens developer buddies have out spent reform opponents 15-16 to 1 and lost 2 seats in the process and almost lost 2 more. In the last 2 district races his incumbents drew less than 50% of the vote. I’m sure the at large seats will follow, but your buddies and his in the edc are spending a small fortune to hang onto that council so they can redirect residents tax dollars to their special interest projects like that big ETJ TIRZ and that bottom land the city recently bought from one of his major contributors at premium price. I suppose that was one of the many reasons he had to raise your tax rate once again on top of the appraisal increases. He also opposes CAD and rate caps as well as homeowner exemptions for residents in the city under 65, but you don’t have to worry about that now do you….hahaha
You are welcome to keep spinning more lies for them though. I have a feeling this year they are going to have to pay not just at the council level and school board level, but the county level too, even more than usual. It’s only fair since they make us taxpayers carry their risk for their business, rather than like most businesses doing the risk taking themselves, but they found an easier way long ago in Owen, Hebert and Howard.
You have fun lying though if you like charlie. Even in the at large races the reform candidates pulled 36% and 40% away while being outspent 5-6 to 1. I find that hilarious! Owen and his council cronies had to pay for grassroots campaigners and that is even funnier yet…. LOL
To answer the question – no they do not own it yet. It is still in litigation and is likely to be for some time.
While the judge is pushing for a timely conclusion, there is only so much a judge can do to move the proceedings forward. I believe the last thing I had heard was that they were hoping for a conclusion by December, as the November deadline was not going to happen… although something tells me it won’t happen this year. (My own personal opinion.)
meanwhile the beautifully redesigned Eldarado course opens for play Nov 27th, calvin are you and your hand picked toadie going to be there?
calvin here’s your answer but somehow it won’t sink in.
In 2008 your hand picked toadie that you gave money to, blockwalked for and put out signs for lost in an overwhelming landslide to Mayor Owens.
Maybe you didn’t get the message? Hard to believe someone could be that dense.
Mo City has a functional golf course, and its taking care of business. Some might think its unwise to spend more than absolutely necessary in a down economy. I’m sure as soon as the case finishes you’ll see the necessary repairs made.
But lets not let rational logical thinking get in the way of second guessing.
I would assume they could do what they said they were going to do and make the rest of it a park, but they don’t seem to being doing anything with it. Do they even own it yet?
Hmmmm… not sure. I try not to pay too much attention to the comings and goings of some of these folks.
I can appreciate if someone is honestly FOR a particular item or passionate about something, but when someone throws all their eggs into one basket, I have to pause. The only place for blind faith is religion. If ‘man’ has a hand in it – there is no way it is perfect or absolute. Yet, some of these folks feel the City simply cannot do any wrong. On the other hand, some feel the City cannot do any right. It goes both ways.
I’d like to think there is more middle ground than perhaps what these discussions show. If the City does something right, applaud. If the City does something wrong, boo. But these folks that constantly stick up for the City, for no reason other than to create chaos – I try not to worry much about them.
I applaud the City for stepping in to keep RGG from developing home sites in the planned community of Quail Valley. I do not applaud them though for letting several of these areas turn into wasteland while sinking millions of dollars into pet projects.
Thank you mcty for the response. I wonder what happened to Owen’s trolling happy camper?
If there are too many golf courses in the area, what would you suggest the City do with this course?
There are already too many golf courses in this area.
I am sure the City won’t tell you how much is being spent on the case itself, but the claim is that 9.5 million was or will be utilized for the renovations to El D… at least that it what was said at a council meeting a few months back.
Look – no one is saying that Renaissance Golf Group wasn’t an bunch of so-and-so’s. Frankly, they were and still are. The whole reason why RGG shut down the three courses to begin with was because the City wouldn’t let them develop the land into home sites. So because RGG was not allowed to redevelop the property, they in turn told the City that they were going to let the area go to waste and they shut down everything but the La Qunita Course. It wasn’t pretty, although it was bearable… take it from someone who knows.
However, other than the basic maintenance of the La Quinta and the renovations done to the El D, the City is showing themselves (once again) to be poor stewards of tax-payer money. The other areas are in far worse condition than when RGG had control over it.
And yet tonight, there will be a Special Session in which the City will discuss the tennis center, the club house, the grill, the pro-shop, and a few other luxury items… while the home owners that sit on the areas that have gone to waste wait patiently while their home values depreciate as much as $30,000.
Have they really spent over 9 million to date and how much of that is going into the eminent domain abuse lawsuit against Owen and the city???
‘… the city filed condemnation proceedings to take 392 acres of golf course property – two 18-hole and two 9-hole courses, a club house, maintenance building and driving range…’
Anyone been over to the two 9-hole courses, the club house, the maintenance building and driving range lately? Funny to say, but these things are in worse shape now than they were before the City took them over. I guess it is hard for the City to maintain all those many things…
You know him, so ask him these questions and ask him how much are the residents supposed to pay for his lawsuit???
But mocty, Allen Owen is the friend of all………all developers that need taxapayer money…..LOL
I wonder why, with the TIRZs sucking up dollars from the county taxpayers too, would “ftbendconman” claim we have no say in MC concerns.
And I wonder why charlie (“conman”), a near and dear buddy of Owens, Howard and Heberts wouldn’t give all the inside skinny and answer those questions about costs the taxpayers must carry for him???
Should they keep sinking bonds and other taxes into this lawsuit and eminent domain abuse case when they could have paid for it outright??? Didn’t council members (and former council members) Jimerson, Reiter and several others express their concern about sinking further taxpayer funding into the course when technically the city doesn’t own it yet???
PS How can anyone carry his bag, but his personal toadie charlie???
To quote a friend of mine:
‘You do not neglect one area, while improving another. You maintain all areas and when all areas are being properly maintained, you then and only then start thinking about improvements.’
wait you don’t live in MS that wouldn’t be fair. How about Mayor Owens plays the first round and you carry his bags?
the new “MC” course opens for play on Nov 27th do you want to do the honors and hit the first shot?
” …there was no required “public necessity” for condemning the property, an act it has called “merely a pretext to confer a private benefit on particular private parties, including the mayor and a number of city council members.” (Missouri City Mayor Allen Owen and councilors Jerry Wyatt, Brent Holaja and Buddy Jimerson all live in Quail Valley).”
I just wonder why Owen recused himself of the original vote while Wyatt, Kolaja and Jimerson did not? I also wonder if the voters/taxpayers know that the 9 million already use on the take over is a good investment when they do not have clear title to the course in this largest eminent domain abuse case in this area? I also wonder if they wouldn’t have saved more in taxpayer dollars with this protracted lawsuit, if the QVFund, QVMUD and city and ponied up the asking prices of 7-8 million?
Interesting too that Owen and his council members would have approved this company back when they first purchased it given the fact that they’re well known for breaking up and developing such courses???
Just another MC soap opera that they have to stir up before the spring elections again to make it a campaign issue.
Now…heeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee’ssssss “conman”…………..=-)